from a BBC interview:
Simon: There's a vicar, called the Revd Robin Harvey, who carried out a survey of shops and he found that out of 2140 packets of cards, only 23 packs, 1 per cent, were of a religious nature. His church is fighting what he described as, in a statement, 'the manufacturers of political correctness, taking Jesus out of Christmas'. He's got a point, hasn't he?
Rowan: I don't know that it is political correctness, though. I think, ever since there's been Christmas cards, there have been non-religious Christmas cards. When I was a boy, I can remember asking myself: 'what on earth have stagecoaches got to do with Christmas?' - because half the cards we had seem to have stagecoaches on them, or robins for that matter, really. There they all are. It's really just a question of the fact that all through the history of Christmas cards, people have shied a bit away from religious scenes, quite often.
Simon: I'm just trying to think if there is anything of spiritual significance in a stagecoach...
Rowan: Well it's on a journey from somewhere to somewhere, so I suppose you could make something out of that, if you're really desperate.
Simon: Yes, I suppose you could.
Simon: You're probably the most famous Christian behind the Pope and Ned Flanders.
Rowan: There's a problematic trinity for you!
Simon: I suppose the two most prominent Christians in there would be the Revd Lovejoy and Ned Flanders. Would you enjoy going to the Revd Lovejoy's church, do you think?
Rowan: No, I don't think I would, frankly. I think he's a terrible preacher. He's got a boring voice. And, well, I'm afraid he's a sad, pompous chap, all told. Ned Flanders, at least, is ludicrous and foolish, but generous. He actually does forgive people, and I think, he's a sort of - as a Christian - you might say he's a 'fool for Christ's sake.'
Simon: We appreciate your time with us very much, Archbishop. Are you enjoying the job?
Rowan: It depends which day of the week you ask me, really.
Simon: How about Tuesday, the 6th December 2005?
Rowan: Just at the moment? Fine, thanks.
Simon: Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, thank you very much indeed for spending some time with us today.
Rowan: Thank you.